tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6899095487697524238.post2335854005553288948..comments2014-04-14T18:17:25.382-07:00Comments on GTORangeBuilder Blog: GTO Poker Outside of Heads Up -- What it solves and what it does notUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6899095487697524238.post-15981316465328598552014-03-23T19:50:06.656-07:002014-03-23T19:50:06.656-07:00I honestly don't know much about snowie as I&#...I honestly don't know much about snowie as I've never used it. I'd assume they are just using the term GTO loosely in a marketing sense, and don't mean that they have actually computed a full GTO solution.<br /><br />The idea of solving for a GTO strategy all the way back to preflop is a bit ridiculous, even if you drastically limit the bet sizes you consider. On top of that even were GTO known, as soon as one player is playing non-GTO (ie there is just a single fish at the table) the game gets infinitely more complex, and GTO play may well be losing play as my post illustrates.<br /><br />I mainly just wanted to get across that the game isn't anywhere near solved and anyone who claims it is is likely FOS. People are going to be learning and improving at poker for a long time to come.<br /><br />As for snowie, its certainly possible that a great poker AI already exists or will come out soon. Deep blue is great at chess even though it is widely accepted that we are decades/centuries from figuring out a GTO solution to chess.<br />I know the University of Alberta team claims to have an AI that is on par with a decent small stakes grinder at 6 max. It plays non-exploitative poker but they don't claim to be GTO in any sense as far as I know.<br /><br />The main point of my post is that, even if somehow someone did magically solve for GTO, there would be many situations in 3+ handed games where playing GTO would lose, often substantially, if there were a fish at your table. If there are no fish at your table and everyone were GTO then you'd just be grinding away money to the rake so it would be pointless to play anyways.<br /><br />Hopefully that makes sense :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01506290885754080155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6899095487697524238.post-61284450713008428762014-03-23T00:15:41.906-07:002014-03-23T00:15:41.906-07:00Nice blog! So what do you think about PokerSnowie ...Nice blog! So what do you think about PokerSnowie and their GTO claims?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10004867870670554868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6899095487697524238.post-78340769058513266322014-03-19T11:34:33.157-07:002014-03-19T11:34:33.157-07:00Good post. I've never read about GTO in 3 way ...Good post. I've never read about GTO in 3 way sitatuions. Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com